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(Televation), filed suit against William Saindon, Timothy Rex, and Digital Systems Research, Inc., for the misappropriation and use of its trade secrets. The complaint, filed on April 2, 1987, was in three counts and sought injunctive relief, damages, and an accounting. The trial court expedited trial on the claim for injunctive relief and, on September 9, 1987, entered an injunction prohibiting the defendants from manufacturing or selling their product or otherwise using or disclosing plaintiff\u2019s trade secrets for a period of three years. Defendants have taken an interlocutory appeal from that order.\nJohn Regan and Robert Groetzenbach established Televation in 1978 to develop an electronic product which could add features to an existing in-house phone system (PBX) without having to replace the PBX. Televation developed its first product, the PEP 100, over a period of about two years. The PEP 100 is \u201can automatic wake-up system,\u201d designed primarily for hotels and motels. The system\u2019s primary function, although it has others, is to automatically place recorded wake-up calls over the hotel\u2019s PBX system, at designated times, to up to three rooms simultaneously. Televation\u2019s second product, the Reveille, is a less expensive automatic wake-up system that can place simultaneous calls on two lines. The Reveille took about one year to develop and was first marketed in late 1982. Televation\u2019s Echodyne system is a recorded announcement system that can answer up to 192 incoming calls simultaneously with a recorded message. It can also be programmed to deliver different announcements on different groups of lines. The Echodyne system is much larger than the PEP 100 and Reveille systems, but it contains circuitry that was originally designed for those products. The first Echodyne system was sold in late 1983.\nEach of Televation\u2019s products contains two distinct types of electronic circuitry \u2014 analog and digital. Both types of circuitry are necessary to allow an electronic product to perform the functions which Televation\u2019s products perform. Televation\u2019s analog circuitry, which is the subject of this dispute, was designed exclusively by John Regan.\nWilliam Saindon worked as Televation\u2019s production and quality control manager from March 1983 until April 1984 and had complete access, during that time, to the schematics, or blueprints, of Televation\u2019s electronic circuitry. In October 1984, Saindon collaborated with Timothy Rex and Janusz Dobrowolski to establish Digital Systems Research, Inc. (Digital). From October 1984 until April 1987, when this suit was filed, Digital developed its own automatic wake-up system, the Prelude, to compete with Televation\u2019s systems. Prelude\u2019s analog circuitry, which Saindon claims to have designed, is virtually identical to analog circuitry designed by Regan and contained in some or all of Televation\u2019s products. The only differences between the two are attributable to changes made to Televation\u2019s circuitry after Saindon\u2019s employment terminated. Prelude\u2019s digital circuitry, which was designed by Dobrowolski, is substantially different from Televation\u2019s digital circuitry and even allows the Prelude to perform some functions which Televation\u2019s machines do not perform.\nRegan and Groetzenbach first became aware of the Prelude machine early in 1987, when they were contacted by one of their suppliers, Magnetic Components, Inc. (Magnetic), which informed them that Digital had attempted to order a transformer specially designed by Regan and manufactured by Magnetic only for Televation. Televation then ordered a Prelude machine through a third party, examined its circuitry, and filed this action. The Prelude unit ordered by Televation was the first, and only, unit Digital sold.\nAfter a complete evidentiary hearing on plaintiff\u2019s claim for injunctive relief, the trial court concluded that Televation\u2019s schematics of its analog circuitry and the manner in which its analog circuitry interfaces with its digital circuitry are trade secrets. It concluded that defendants misappropriated those secrets from plaintiff and incorporated them into their own product. It entered a \u201cpreliminary and permanent injunction\u201d prohibiting defendants, for a period of three years, from: (1) manufacturing, marketing, constructing, or selling the Prelude or any similar product which incorporates plaintiff\u2019s trade secrets; (2) using any of the analog circuitry depicted in the exhibits (some of which the court itemized by name); and (3) selling, transferring, or disclosing plaintiff\u2019s trade secrets. The order also affirmatively required defendants to return any of Televation\u2019s schematics or copies of them in its possession, as well as any component parts taken from Televation.\nDefendants argue that the trial court erred in finding Televation\u2019s schematics to be trade secrets. They claim that the information which Saindon remembered and incorporated into Prelude was simply knowledge he gained in the course of his employment with Televation, which he was entitled to use. They contend that Televation\u2019s schematics do not qualify as trade secrets, because their confidentiality was not adequately protected, and because the circuitry is well known in the trade.\nIllinois courts will afford injunctive relief to a plaintiff-employer against a former employee only if the plaintiff can demonstrate that it has a protectable business interest. (Hayden\u2019s Sport Center, Inc. v. Johnson (1982), 109 Ill. App. 3d 1140, 1146; Lincoln Towers Insurance Agency v. Farrell (1981), 99 Ill. App. 3d 353, 355.) An employer has a recognized business interest in protecting trade secrets disclosed in confidence to the employee during the course of his employment (see, e.g., Schulenburg v. Signatrol, Inc. (1965), 33 Ill. 2d 379, 386-87; Victor Chemical Works v. Iliff (1921), 299 Ill. 532, 546-48), even where, as here, there is no enforceable restrictive covenant between the parties. (Smith Oil Corp. v. Viking Chemical Co. (1984), 127 Ill. App. 3d 423, 427.) The plaintiff must establish that the information was a trade secret affording it a competitive advantage, that it was disclosed to the employee in confidence, and that it would be unjust under the circumstances to permit the employee to disclose or use the information. (Victor Chemical Works v. Iliff, 299 Ill. at 548.) The courts recognize that conflicting social and economic concerns must be accommodated in delineating the protection afforded to alleged trade secrets. On one hand, the court should protect the employer\u2019s investment of time, money and manpower in developing secret advantages from misappropriation by former employees who occupied a position of trust. On the other hand, the court must recognize that in a mobile society based on competition, the individual has a fundamental right to pursue the occupation for which he is best suited and to make use of the knowledge and skills he has acquired through experience. ILG Industries, Inc. v. Scott (1971), 49 Ill. 2d 88, 93-94; see also Brunswick Corp. v. Outboard Marine Corp. (1980), 79 Ill. 2d 475, 478 (identifying as an additional concern the public interest in the free use of ideas and goods not protected by a valid patent).\nA trade secret is generally defined as \u201ca plan or process, tool, mechanism, compound, or informational data utilized by a person in his business operations and known only to him and such limited other persons to whom it may be necessary to confide it.\u201d (ILG Industries, Inc. v. Scott, 49 Ill. 2d at 92; Hayden\u2019s Sport Center, Inc. v. Johnson, 109 Ill. App. 3d at 1146.) The definition is necessarily inexact, because a wide variety of things, depending upon the particular circumstances involved, may qualify as trade secrets. (ILG Industries, Inc. v. Scott, 49 Ill. 2d at 92.) The supreme court has identified six factors to be considered in determining whether information or materials constitute trade secrets: (1) the extent to which the information is known outside the employer\u2019s business; (2) the extent to which it is known to employees and others involved in the employer\u2019s business; (3) the extent of measures taken by the employer to guard the secrecy of the information; (4) the value of the information to the employer and its competitors; (5) the money or effort expended by the employer in developing the information; and (6) the ease or difficulty with which others might properly acquire or duplicate the information. ILG Industries, Inc. v. Scott, 49 Ill. 2d at 93, citing Restatement of Torts, \u00a7757 comment b, at 4-5 (1939).\nSaindon\u2019s testimony describing the manner in which he designed Prelude\u2019s analog circuitry is confusing and contradictory. He produced a number of textbooks and manufacturers\u2019 data sheets which he claimed to have relied upon. However, he also admitted that, seven months after he left Televation, he drew from memory a number of schematics that are virtually identical to Televation\u2019s analog circuitry schematics. He admitted that in designing Prelude\u2019s circuitry he used and incorporated everything he could remember (and thought would be useful) about Televation\u2019s designs. He claimed that he inadvertently memorized the information from constant exposure to Televation\u2019s schematics. As examples of the detail with which Saindon recalled Televation\u2019s schematics, we note that his schematics duplicate the precise numerical values assigned by Regan to each of the electronic components in the circuits (which apparently must all be compatible for the unit to function) and that he recalled the nine-digit part number assigned by one of Televation\u2019s suppliers to Regan\u2019s custom-designed transformer. He could not recall the number at trial, however. Defendants argue that this information was general knowledge acquired by Saindon in his experience at Televation which he could not erase from his memory.\nIt is irrelevant as a matter of law, however, whether Saindon took copies of Televation\u2019s schematics or memorized them in detail, because an employee \u201cmay not take with him confidential particularized plans or processes developed by his employer and disclosed to him while the employer-employee relationship exists, which are unknown to others in the industry and which give the employer advantage over his competitors.\u201d (Schulenburg v. Signatrol, Inc., 33 Ill. 2d at 387.) A former employee\u2019s use of his employer\u2019s proprietary data cannot be deemed a legitimate application of acquired expertise. (Affiliated Hospital Products, Inc. v. Baldwin (1978), 57 Ill. App. 3d 800, 807, aff\u2019d (1979), 79 Ill. App. 3d 74.) The record amply supports the trial court\u2019s conclusion that Saindon deliberately misappropriated the information contained in Televation\u2019s schematics. It also supports the trial court\u2019s apparent conclusion that Saindon, in fact, physically took copies of Televation\u2019s schematics and/or some of its component parts.\nWe must next determine whether the information Saindon took qualified as trade secret information. We note that our review of the expert testimony was significantly hampered by the fact that, in order to protect their confidentiality, the exhibits have not been included in the record. The discussion which follows is therefore limited to the general conclusions reached by the experts.\nGeorge Thomas, an expert in electrical engineering, testified for plaintiff. Thomas stated that Televation\u2019s analog circuitry was intricate, custom-designed circuitry. While most of the component parts are readily available in the industry, Televation\u2019s approach in arranging, interfacing, and refining the components has rendered its design entirely unique. Thomas stated that another engineer could not duplicate Televation\u2019s circuits exactly, as Digital had done, unless he had had access to the schematics or. \u201creverse engineered\u201d Televation\u2019s end products by disassembling them and tracing their circuitry. He testified specifically with respect to the analog circuitry illustrated in plaintiff\u2019s group exhibit No. 5. Exhibit No. 5 apparently did not contain all of the disputed analog circuits, however. Thomas stated that it would take someone with his engineering experience one to two years to reverse engineer the circuits shown in the exhibit, and that Regan\u2019s custom transformer, which is necessary to those circuits, could not be reverse engineered at all. Thomas estimated that, for someone with less experience than he had, it would take two years to forever to reverse engineer those circuits. He stated that the process of reverse engineering electronic equipment is tedious and prone to error and that most engineers would probably elect instead to determine what functions the circuits perform and design their own, comparable circuits to perform the same tasks. He stated that specification sheets, like those for Televation\u2019s custom transformer, are routinely provided in the electronics industry to component manufacturers, like Magnetic. The manufacturers then produce the components to the designer\u2019s specifications. They treat the specification sheets as confidential and will not supply the parts to other customers without the designer\u2019s knowledge and approval.\nOn cross-examination, Thomas stated that he had seen other, standard transformers that would perform the same function as Regan\u2019s custom transformer, but which were larger. He stated that Televation\u2019s designs would not necessarily offer an advantage over comparable circuits designed to perform the same functions. He also estimated that it would take him 9 to 13 months to independently design the circuits contained in exhibit No. 5 or to design comparable circuits.\nHoward Jirka, defendants\u2019 expert in electrical engineering, testified that, in his opinion, plaintiff\u2019s analog circuits were not novel and that they consisted of standard components. He believed they could be designed by using standard references; He concluded that Televation\u2019s custom transformer was a simple one, which would have been easy to design and construct. The court sustained plaintiff\u2019s objection when defendants\u2019 counsel asked Jirka whether the transformer could be reverse engineered. The court allowed defendants to make an offer of proof, however, that it was Jirka\u2019s opinion that it could be. Jirka estimated that one of plaintiff\u2019s analog circuits would take approximately two weeks to independently design. He did not offer an estimate, however, as to how long it would take an engineer to independently design or reverse engineer all of the analog circuits.\nIt is undisputed that Televation kept its schematics in an unlocked file cabinet in an employee work area of its office. Televation did not require its employees to sign nondisclosure agreements and did not keep a record of the number of copies made of each schematic. The office was always locked when the employees were not present. Regan and Groetzenbach testified that they sometimes provided component manufacturers with specification sheets describing requirements for component parts but never with detailed schematics of their circuit boards. They stated that they sometimes gave draftsmen portions of schematics from which to make layouts- but never permitted them to see the schematics for an entire system. They testified that Televation had only three employees and that Regan always informed new employees of Televation\u2019s policy that no schematics (except those portions provided to draftsmen) were to leave the building. Any portions of schematics or any specification sheets which were given to draftsmen or manufacturers were stamped with Televation\u2019s name and the word \u201cproprietary.\u201d\nRegan testified that he informed Saindon of Televation\u2019s security policies when Saindon worked there and that he delegated to Saindon the authority for organizing the schematics. He stated that he gave Saindon the company\u2019s proprietary stamp and instructed him to use it to mark any documents that had to leave the building. Saindon denied that he was given the stamp or informed of any policies concerning the schematics but admitted that he knew the materials were confidential. He also admitted that he understood that he could not remove them except in the course of his work and that they were not to be shown to outsiders.\nOn this record, we conclude that the trial court\u2019s finding that Televation\u2019s schematics and circuitry were trade secrets is not against the manifest weight of the evidence. Regan spent approximately five years designing, developing, and modifying the analog circuitry necessary to Televation\u2019s products. We believe the testimony strongly supports the conclusion that the circuitry was not readily available or known outside Televation. While the component parts were available, the testimony demonstrated that standard references and manufacturers\u2019 data sheets would not show a designer how to use the parts in the combinations and with the assigned values that Televation used. And while Thomas testified that Televation\u2019s designs would not necessarily be better than comparable circuitry which other engineers might create, Televation had the obvious advantage of completed, functional, and marketable circuitry which a legitimate new competitor would have to spend nine months to two years, by Thomas\u2019 estimates, to develop or copy. See, e.g., Affiliated Hospital Products, Inc. v. Baldwin, 57 Ill. App. 3d at 807.\nIt is true that a design or process that can easily be ascertained from an examination of the product itself cannot be a trade secret. (See Filter Dynamics International, Inc. v. Astron Battery, Inc. (1974), 19 Ill. App. 3d 299, 317; Bimba Manufacturing Co. v. Starz Cylinder Co. (1969), 119 Ill. App. 2d 251, 265.) The mere fact, however, that a competitor could, through reverse engineering, duplicate plaintiff\u2019s product does not preclude a finding that plaintiff\u2019s techniques or schematics were trade secrets, particularly where, as here, the evidence demonstrated that the reverse engineering process would be time-consuming. (ILG Industries, Inc. v. Scott, 49 Ill. 2d at 94; Schulenburg v. Signatrol, Inc., 33 Ill. 2d at 385-87.) Nor is the finding that a trade secret exists precluded by the fact that other approaches may accomplish the same result. (Victor Chemical Works v. Iliff, 299 Ill. at 546.) It is therefore no defense to claim that one\u2019s product could have been developed independently of plaintiff\u2019s, if in fact it was developed by using plaintiff\u2019s proprietary designs. (Affiliated Hospital Products, Inc. v. Baldwin, 57 Ill. App. 3d at 807.) The evidence therefore adequately supports the conclusions that Televation\u2019s schematics were unique and valuable and that they could not easily be duplicated.\nIn addition, partial disclosure of the information to third parties, where disclosure is necessary, does not preclude a finding that the information constitutes a trade secret. In ILG Industries, Inc. v. Scott (1971), 49 Ill. 2d 88, 94, the supreme court held that plaintiff\u2019s partial disclosure of its industrial drawings to customers and manufacturers, who understood them to be confidential, did not destroy their secrecy. In fact, in ILG, as here, it was one of plaintiff\u2019s suppliers, to whom a partial disclosure had been made, that informed plaintiff of the defendant\u2019s apparent use of its confidential designs. 49 Ill. 2d at 94.\nWhile Televation did not use stringent security measures in its offices, we note that its complete schematics were available only to its few employees, who had to use the schematics to do their jobs. Televation therefore disclosed the information only to persons to whom it was necessary to disclose it. In addition, the employees were informed that the schematics were confidential and were not to be taken out of Televation\u2019s offices. Defendants\u2019 reliance on Junkunc v. S. J. Advanced Technology & Manufacturing Corp. (1986), 149 Ill. App. 3d 114, is misplaced. In Junkunc, the court found plaintiff\u2019s security measures, which were admittedly more stringent than Televation\u2019s security measures here, inadequate to protect information plaintiff claimed to be a trade secret. (149 Ill. App. 3d at 119.) The defendant in Junkunc, however, was not only a former employee of the plaintiff corporation, but the son of the principal developer of plaintiff\u2019s secret process. (149 Ill. App. 3d at 120.) His knowledge of plaintiff\u2019s business, therefore, was not acquired solely through an employer-employee relationship, and the court concluded that, under the circumstances, the plaintiff had to demonstrate some kind of confidential agreement with the defendant in order to warrant an injunction. (149 Ill. App. 3d at 120.) Here, Saindon\u2019s knowledge of Televation\u2019s circuitry, and, in fact, of automatic wake-up machines in general, resulted exclusively from his employment at Televation. We therefore agree with the conclusion of the trial court that Televation\u2019s analog circuitry schematics constituted protectable trade secrets.\nDefendant next contends that the record does not support the court\u2019s imposition of a three-year injunction. In Schulenburg v. Signatrol, Inc. (1965), 33 Ill. 2d 379, the supreme court held that a trial court should not enjoin a defendant\u2019s reproduction of plaintiff\u2019s product, notwithstanding defendant\u2019s reliance on misappropriated trade secrets, \u201cfor a period of time longer than that required to duplicate the product by lawful means.\u201d (33 Ill. 2d at 388; see also ILG, 49 Ill. 2d at 96.) The court recently explained that ruling in Brunswick Corf. v. Outboard Marine Corf. (1980), 79 Ill. 2d 475, 479-80, where it stated:\n\u201cBy enjoining the use of wrongfully acquired trade secrets for the approximate length of time it would require a legitimate competitor to develop a competitive product following a lawful disclosure of the information, the wrongdoer is deprived of any advantage from his wrongdoing, the developer of the trade secret is placed in the same position it would have occupied if the breach of confidence had not occurred, and the minimum restraint *** would be placed upon competitors and the utilization of the competitors\u2019 and the employees\u2019 skills.\u201d\nThomas, plaintiff\u2019s expert, estimated that it would take someone with his experience one to two years to reverse engineer certain of Televation\u2019s analog circuits. While he stated that he did not believe Televation\u2019s transformer could be reverse engineered, he also stated that other transformers were available which could perform the same function. In addition, he stated that an engineer could independently design or create comparable circuitry to perform the necessary tasks, apparently using plaintiff\u2019s circuitry to. determine what functions the end product must be capable of performing. His estimate with respect to the circuits discussed above was that it would take him approximately 9 to 13 months to independently design them. We believe we must disregard Thomas\u2019 vague and open-ended estimate that it would take someone with less experience than himself two years to forever to reverse engineer the circuitry. We believe the sounder approach is to assume that the \u201clegitimate competitor\u201d identified- in.Brunswick (79 Ill. 2d at 479) is competent in his particular field. In summary, then, the expert testimony indicated that it would take a skilled competitor using some lawful method of reproduction nine months to two years to duplicate less than all of Televation\u2019s analog circuitry.\nThe testimony established that it took Regan and Groetzen-. bach approximately five years to develop their products and that the circuitry of each product incorporated, modified and improved the circuitry in the products which preceded it. In addition, each existing product was regularly improved and modified as the newer products were developed. We recognize that these products include digital, as well as analog, circuits and that Prelude\u2019s digital circuitry was independently developed. However, the appropriate injunction period should be the time required to legally produce a competing product (see Brunswick Corp. v. Outboard Marine Corp., 79 Ill. 2d at 479-80; Schulenburg v. Signatrol, Inc., 33 Ill. 2d at 388), not merely the disputed portions of a product. It is clear that the analog circuitry misappropriated from Televation is an integral and indispensible portion of the Prelude machine. The evidence established that certain analog circuits alone would take nine months to two years to copy or independently develop and that the completed products or a composite of them, as the Prelude apparently is, could take up to five years to develop. Based on this testimony, we cannot conclude that the trial court\u2019s imposition of a three-year injunction was against the manifest weight of the evidence.\nWhile defendants assert that they have already spent over two years (although they worked only part-time on the project) developing th\u00e9 Prelude since Saindon\u2019s misappropriation of Televation\u2019s trade secrets, we note that the evidence would have supported an injunction of up to five years for the duplication of an entire composite product. It therefore appears that the trial court may have reduced the injunction period to allow for the approximate amount of legitimate independent development time defendants have invested in the Prelude. Moreover, this time has not been lost to defendants as the injunction does not prohibit their use of the digital circuitry they developed in conjunction with any analog circuitry they independently develop in the future. We therefore affirm the three-ye\u00e1r injunction period.\nDefendants\u2019 final contention is that the injunction order is not sufficiently specific to meet the requirements of section 11 \u2014 101 of the Code of Civil Procedure (Ill. Rev. Stat. 1985, ch. 110, par. 11 \u2014 101). Defendants claim that the order is indefinite in that it does not adequately identify the designs or schematics which constitute plaintiff\u2019s trade secrets and then enjoins them from manufacturing or selling Prelude or any product similar to it \u201cbased on or incorporating plaintiff\u2019s trade secrets.\u201d In addition, defendants complain that the order prohibits their use of circuits contained in the textbooks and manufacturers\u2019 application notes, which they produced in evidence, by prohibiting their use of \u201cany of the analog circuitry as set forth on the exhibits in this cause.\u201d\nAn injunctive order should be as precise and definite as possible to avoid creating misunderstandings or excuses for disobeying its terms. (In re Marriage of Grauer (1985), 133 Ill. App. 3d 1019, 1026.) Considering the technical nature of its subject matter, we find the trial court\u2019s order sufficiently precise to meet that standard. The court\u2019s oral injunction order, from which the written order was drafted, clearly affords trade secret protection only to plaintiff\u2019s schematics of its analog circuitry and of the circuitry which interfaces its analog circuitry to its digital circuitry. (Cf. In re Marriage of Grauer, 133 Ill. App. 3d at 1026 (concluding that where the court orally informs the party of its reasons for issuing an injunction, the order itself need not restate those reasons).) The portion of the order prohibiting defendants from using or incorporating plaintiff's trade secrets is therefore plainly limited to the use of plaintiff\u2019s analog and interfacing circuitry. The order therefore in.no way purports to enjoin defendants from purchasing or using standard electronic components. With respect to the portion of the order enjoining the sale of products \u201cbased on\u201d plaintiff\u2019s trade secrets, we note that, in ILG, the supreme court upheld a similarly worded injunction prohibiting the defendants from selling \u201cany fan or any component thereof which was built on information derived from any of the plaintiff\u2019s fans depicted in the two drawings.\u201d (ILG Industries, Inc. v. Scott, 49 Ill. 2d at 95.) The ILG court concluded that it would have been of no practical benefit to the plaintiff if the court had imposed a less restrictive injunction prohibiting only the sale of those fans which the defendant admitted were constructed solely from the information contained in plaintiff\u2019s drawings. (49 Ill. 2d at 95.) We conclude that the injunction adequately defined both the specific rights it protected and the particular conduct it prohibited. (See Village of Gilberts v. Holiday Park Corp. (1986), 150 Ill. App. 3d 932, 936-37.) We therefore conclude that it is not defective.\nFor the reasons stated, the judgment of the circuit court is affirmed.\nAffirmed.\nDUNN and WOODWARD, JJ., concur.", "type": "majority", "author": "JUSTICE UNVERZAGT" } ], "attorneys": [ "Zachary M. Bravos, of Bravos & Trapp, Ltd., of Wheaton (William W. Rath, of counsel), for appellants.", "Lehrer, Flaherty & Canavan, of Wheaton (R. Lawrence Canavan, of counsel), for appellee." ], "corrections": "", "head_matter": "TELEVATION TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, INC., Plaintiff-Appellee, v. WILLIAM SAINDON et al., Defendants-Appellants.\nSecond District\nNo. 2\u201487\u20140953\nOpinion filed April 28, 1988.\nZachary M. Bravos, of Bravos & Trapp, Ltd., of Wheaton (William W. Rath, of counsel), for appellants.\nLehrer, Flaherty & Canavan, of Wheaton (R. Lawrence Canavan, of counsel), for appellee." }, "file_name": "0008-01", "first_page_order": 30, "last_page_order": 42 }